Finally, Answering: When Should You Leave Your Job?
In this episode of "The Blind Ambition with Jack Kelly" podcast, Jack Kelly and Rick Chen take on the ultimate question: "Should I stay, or should I go?" in response to some recent viral Blind discussions.
We react to how many high-earning professionals feel financially stretched and falling behind and the paradox where million-dollar compensation packages still leave people feeling like they're living paycheck to paycheck.
Jack and Rick explore the decision to leave these lucrative positions and the calculus you might use to determine whether your current role is worth staying and if the new offer is good enough to take.
Jack Kelly (0:04): Yeah, all right, we're going to do something different, usually for "The Blind Ambition" podcast, Rick and I have these great, brilliant guests, and we have these stimulating conversations. But you know what, every once in a while, we just want to have fun with what's going on. Now, Rick has been with Blind for a long time. So he's so used to it because it's his universe. I'm still the newbie figuring it out and getting a check about what goes on the site.
I've got to tell you, it just cracks me up. It blows me away. As a recruiter who spends most of my time on LinkedIn, which is boring and dull, no one ever says anything that's, you know, politically incorrect or just not nice. Now, Blind, I feel like I have my brethren here because I love complaining, I love arguing, I love fighting. I love just getting in the mix of things. And what really strikes me about Blind is that you have these people who are speaking anonymously, so they tell their truth, and what they say sometimes is, wow, these are people.
So, if you're not familiar with Blind, predominantly, it's tech-oriented, but we're growing it out to Wall Street and finance and other sectors as well. And the folks there are highly accomplished. They work for FAANG companies, really top tech companies. They're making $300K, $500K, $600K, $800,000, a million dollars, no exaggeration, total comp, lots of money. So very successful. And they are not embarrassed to talk about how much money they make and how well they're doing. And then, even if you're making $800,000, they will complain they should earn more than that. So, you've got to check out Blind so you can see what we're saying in real life, and join and take a look and be part of this family.
So for today, rather than having the guests and being all serious, we want to riff on some of the things that you guys on Blind, are talking about.
Rick, if it's okay. One thing I want to start with is this, this, this is always drives me crazy. So you have this one guy, right? He's a PhD, working for Salesforce. He's making $1.2 million in total compensation, $1.2 million now, I'll take this person at his word. Maybe he maybe it is, maybe it's not. I don't know, but let's, for the sake of the conversation, that he really is making $1.2. Now he's complaining. You know, there's a lot of politics in the office now, and I don't really feel comfortable, and I have a new manager, and I don't know if I like my manager. So should I leave?
Rick, if you are making $1.2 million, and let's say he's full of shit, right, and it's $1 million or even $900,000 right? Would you just quit? Or will you just smile and you just ride this out? What would you do, Rick? What would be your game plan?
Rick Chen (3:16): The craziest thing is I'm not surprised by the total compensation figure or how they're describing the work culture at Salesforce.
If you think about Salesforce, it is the largest private employer in San Francisco, right? Huge tech city. They are the number one. Their huge tower downtown. It is a landmark. So when you have such a huge organization like that, there's a lot of bureaucracy, right? There's a lot of processes at Salesforce. You have the extra added Hawaiian culture theme, you know, Marc Benioff, the founder CEO, is always talking about the Ohana and so some of these things. You know, I've never worked at Salesforce. When I hear about it, I just roll my eyes, right? Imagine being there. This particular poster, they are an AI PhD. You know, they probably transitioned into industry from academia, and they're probably just rolling their eyes just as much as I am and saying, gosh, is this what I really signed up for? And I think Jack, the answer to that question is, yeah, this is what you signed up for. A job sometimes stinks, and you just got to wake up and go and do it, especially if you're gonna get paid $100K a month, $1.2 million a year.
Jack Kelly (4:42): You know, you're very perceptive because I didn't think about the PhD part in the sense that, yeah, someone comes from academia with a whole bunch of professors, and now you're thrust into Salesforce, a hard sell. It's a sales culture, right? It's like a hardcore sales culture, right, to sell whatever they're selling. What exactly do they sell? Rick, like, what's is it? It's CRM kind of stuff?
Rick Chen (5:07): Yes. I mean, if you think about it, it's kind of, maybe the, and I'm being very generous here, but we can call it kind of the operating system for work. So, for a lot of these huge companies, it is where they track their sales context, right? So that's the flagship product, the CRM, the customer relationship management database, you could call it, but it also allows folks in marketing teams to schedule and create editorial calendars for social media. It's almost everything in terms of what you might want to do to run a business. I believe there's also software that lets you create and build websites, trying to be this full suite, but it's so boring. It's B to B; it's software sales.
Jack Kelly (5:54): So this lends it to another post by another Blinder, and this is a younger guy, right? He's a younger guy. He says he's like 27 years old. His net worth is $2.4 million, and he's looking for advice. He's looking for advice because he feels that he's falling behind again, another money issue, $2.4 million for a guy who's 27 years old. Should we do a GoFundMe for him? Or what do you think? Do you think his life is over, and he should just pack it in? Like, what? What do you do if you're only making that much money and you're not even 30 yet?
Rick Chen (6:40): Yeah, I mean, it's, it's really intense, I think. And, you know, I don't want to be like the die-hard defender of my community here as PR of Blind. But it really is interesting, just because I've seen it for the last three years working here, the kind of disconnect in terms of the personal finances when you're always comparing with the Joneses, especially on a place like Blind, where you know compensations of packages of $300K, $400K, $500K are not uncommon. And even on the lower side of what you might see on Blind, just the impact in terms of how many people that are in this situation, and they say things like, oh, I feel like I'm falling behind, or I'm living paycheck to paycheck. And then you break down, and you see how they're describing their finances. You realize, you know, 40%, 50% might be gone.
Jack Kelly (7:36): You know what? Let's do this. You know what this is? I don't need to tell you, because this is so important. What you're saying, Rick. Dude, this is so important because it's not just for Blind, but it's across the board. Anyone who lives in New York and San Francisco, in LA, in Philly, in these high-cost areas, let's break this down. Because, you know, we, you know, we're kind of saying, oh, boohoo, that guy's only making so much money, but when you're really factoring what Rick's going to do, all of a sudden that money isn't so great. So, can you walk us through what the reality is after taxes and everything? What are you left with?
Rick Chen (8:11): For most people, especially if you live in a high-cost-of-living area, you know, you're living on the coast, you're living in a New York, a Seattle, San Francisco and LA, you're looking at maybe 40%, 50% just getting chopped off right away from taxes, a lot of these folks.
Jack Kelly (8:28): So, if you're getting $500,000, like right away, it's $250K just like that. Boom!
Rick Chen (8:33): Nearly, right? When you're thinking about, you know, the federal taxes, all of the state taxes, the top tax bracket for federal is like, what, 38%? In California, it's 13%, you know? So, like a few of our members, they're reaching 51% in, you know, marginal taxes, but it's getting up there. It's 40%, 50% definitely, for sure.
Jack Kelly (9:00): So, you have $200K, $250K, what? Let's say in San Francisco, you need to buy a home, right? Or you have a home. What do they go for? Like, if you have a family, let's say just two kids.
Rick Chen (9:10): Yeah, let's say that you have a $250,000 salary. After taxes, you might be at around $130K or so, and so let's say that that's about $10k a month. If you think about a typical two-bedroom apartment, the rent is going to be somewhere around $3000, $4,000 a month. So you're left with $6K. When you think about having kids, and you know what, send them to daycare or a private school, you can lose thousands of dollars.
Jack Kelly (9:43): Are there certain areas, like in San Fran, because I know in certain areas in New York City, that's one of the reasons I moved out to suburbs. It's just you have to go to a private school. And it's ridiculous. So you're going to private school when they're, like, in elementary school. So that's probably like 10 grand all in, right? Or something like that for a year at least.
Rick Chen (10:03): You know, it might be, I don't know for certain, because, you know, I, myself, don't have kids, but, I mean, it's up there, right?
It's these added expenses where a lot of these folks, they're losing, let's say, 40% to taxes; they're maxing out their retirement. And so that's what, another $20K a year? And so we're talking about thousands of dollars that are just coming out of your paycheck every single month.
And it's a luxury to be able to put aside $20K a year and max out your 401(k), I'll give you that, but I could see where these folks are coming from.
Jack Kelly (10:38): Is there also pressure? Rick, so that, let's say a person is working for a FAANG company.
Rick Chen (10:44): FAANG is the acronym F, A, A, N, G, so it's the top five tech stocks: Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix and Google. You might also hear Magnificent Seven, which are the seven top tech companies that are really driving the returns for the S&P 500, the top 500 stocks in the U.S. stock market, and so that includes names like Nvidia as well as Tesla. When you are at that level, you are getting a lot of your compensation in stock. That's why you're able to see these high pay packages of $500K, $600K because a lot of it is based on how well these share prices, how they're trading, how they're the stocks are just going up, and that's obviously increasing these folks' pay package.
But the problem is, let's say I'm earning $400K, $500K. Half of that or more might be in stock. And I can't necessarily eat stock, right? I can't necessarily pay rent with stock. I have to sell it, and when I sell it, you're getting hit with the taxes, right? And so you might be losing half of your stock when you're selling it, just because you're not keeping it long enough for that one year capital gains cliff. It's getting taxed at these ordinary income amounts. For some of these folks, it's 30%, 35%, 40% when you're combining the state taxes in there.
Jack Kelly (12:14): Now, if you're like in Seattle, New York, LA, San Fran, is there also the pressure, and I think you mentioned this before, to keep up with the Joneses, so that now your next door neighbor is working for Netflix or working, you know, for Tesla or what have you, and now you feel the pressure. Because I know, can I tell you, when I moved into my neighborhood, it's kind of an upscale area, and I was really concerned, seriously. I was really concerned. Am I going to be like the poor person there, and it'd be really uncomfortable for my kids and everything? Is that a thing where, in addition to the mortgage, in addition to the private school, in addition to having an automobile, in addition to either getting a house and a mortgage or renting, now you have to have all the accouterments to show. Look at me. I'm a player. You know, here's the car. Look at the car I drive. Look at my clothes. Look at the vacations we go. Is that? Does that factor in, too? Where now you have to pony up that money? Show like, alright, I've arrived. I'm important, I'm cool, I'm, you know, I'm successful.
Rick Chen (13:18): It's not necessarily a requirement, as it might be, you know, stereotypically, as you might see in like an LA or so, where it's all about appearance. But I think it is very quick to get caught up in little luxuries.
Some of my friends, they never step foot into a grocery store. They are ordering their food from DoorDash two, three times a week. When you have these huge expenses, because you're not you're not going to the grocery store yourself, you're not making the meals yourself, you're taking Ubers and Waymos and all these cab rides, these are all luxury products that I think people don't realize. They're luxury services, rides, delivery. You know, DoorDash is basically hiring a cab for your burrito, if you think about it.
Jack Kelly (14:03): So, there's gonna buckle in your burrito with the seatbelt and everything, right?
Rick Chen (14:08): You get this lifestyle inflation. So it's less of a comparison of, oh, my neighbor is at Amazon. There's certainly some of that, but I think it's very easy to just get caught up in all of these little, nice luxuries that are available to me in the tech capital of the world; those have a huge cost.
Jack Kelly (14:25): Dude, you explained it so well. Because I think of people when, and I'm encouraging people to go on the Blind side and check it out, and you'll see, they'll talk a lot. Oh, you're not making $600,000; what's wrong with you?
Yes, you're saying it like, I think, in my opinion, from an outsider's perspective, partly it's showing off, but partly they know that everything Rick just talked about. That it's not as good as it seems because you have all these expenses; I could see where now you have that pressure, the anxiety, the stress to keep up with. And, you know, it doesn't help when you see all these layoffs as well, too. So then you feel, hey, alright, after all, we're talking about in terms of the cost for everything, you know, the house of this or that. Now, what if I lose my job? What's going to happen? What if AI is going to take over my job? Oh, I'm a coder. I'm a software developer. Maybe within a couple of years, am I going to still have my job? So that's stress and anxiety, right?
Rick Chen (15:27): I think it's also, and this is my kind of personal finance background, is folks just need to realize, what are they chasing in life? What is the meaning? I think especially on Blind, when you see so many people that do work in these high-profile, white-collar jobs in tech, on Wall Street, that are pulling these huge compensation, it's very easy to compare and say, gosh, well, these folks are making a million dollars, and I'm only making whatever, and you immediately, off the bat, feel inadequate, because you know, this guy's making more or, alternatively, you see, or you look around, and you see, gosh, like on Instagram, all these folks are taking first-class vacations, jet-setting around the world, right? Because you only see people's highlights, right?
Yes, I think that's the beauty of Blind where, because it's anonymous, you're seeing a lot of and, you know, we're making fun of it a little bit, but you're seeing a lot of these insecurities or these concerns that are coming out naturally, that you might not see on other social media, right, where people are saying, gosh, I feel like I'm behind, or I'm struggling just being motivated by work. And that second part, I think, is really important to underline because I feel like a lot of people that go on Blind, they seek out the interview advice, the compensation to negotiate to get those bigger pay packages. And once they were there, they think, hosh, I tried so hard to get here, and maybe you've made it. Maybe you've landed that Magnificent Seven, that FAANG job, you're earning that huge pay package, and you're thinking, gosh, like, is this it? What else am I doing? And you get into this hedonistic treadmill of saying, well, I'm making $600K, and my neighbor is making $700K, or this guy on Blind is making $900K, and there's no kind of greater purpose for them in the world. You get caught up in just money, money, money. And that's where I think the problems start to come.
Jack Kelly (17:31): And also to add to it, we talked about this the other day with the Nvidia podcast that we did, yes, you can make a crazy amount of money. But it's not guaranteed. It's like before we had the Nvidia podcast, the stock was just still killing, but then it dropped, what, 10%? Then it dropped some more and dropped some more. So like, uh oh, then you have to worry. Is it going to keep dropping and dropping? Plus, from what I understand from what we talked about within video, that it's not an easy coasting environment. You know, a lot of hours, right? Lots of pressure, a lot of stress. Work until 1 am, 2am. I think Jensen, he says, he likes to torture people, like jokingly, you know, torturing people to get results.
So, to your point, even though you're making a lot of money, you got to worry, hey, this stock that they're giving me may not actually be worth anything. If something goes really wrong and I can't, I got to keep grinding, and I've got to keep going. Because I imagine if I'm not going to work hard, they'll just find someone else to take my place. Is that kind of what leads to this kind of burnout? Because there's a lot of frustration, I know, so a lot of people are just very frustrated and burnt out. Is that kind of how these things play out?
Rick Chen (18:50): I think it gets to this point where you try so hard, you're chasing the money you get there, and then you realize, like, gosh, you almost have to, like, kind of tread water, because you've worked so hard to get here, you've practiced the Leetcode, right? You've read Blind for hours to get the interview tips to negotiate your salary, and now you're thinking, gosh, like, how do I stay in this role, right? How do I avoid that performance improvement plan? How do I avoid being defined as, you know, a bottom, low performer, yeah, because that happens in some of these more competitive environments.
You mentioned Nvidia. I've heard TSMC, Taiwan Semiconductor Company, is also similar. Amazon is almost infamous for its performance review cycle being quite intense. So you start looking at, gosh, I am almost not able to benefit from the fruits of my labor, right? Because you're just so busy working. I think that's part of it, the big thing for me, you know, I always look back to first principles and whatever I do in my life, and I always try to look at my motivations and figure out work is great, but it may this sounds really cheesy and new agey and crunchy granola. Yeah, but am I getting some more reward for my work, right? Obviously, there's the money reward, but is there some kind of psychic reward? Am I enjoying the work that I'm doing? And sometimes, you know, I'm willing to accept lower pay because I have that autonomy, or I have that joy of being able to do something that I like to do or something that I'm good at. I think a lot of folks, they're, they're chasing, oh, I want to go study computer science, and I want to become a software engineer because it's a high earning job, but they hate coding, right? That's a terrible way to do.
Jack Kelly (20:35): That has to be miserable, like, if you're doing, if you have, if you hate coding, but you're kind of good at coding, but you hate doing it, and then, oh my God, that has got to be hell.
Rick Chen (20:44): Or can you imagine if you're not good at coding and you hate coding, but you've been pushing yourself all the way to do it? Oh my God!
Jack Kelly (20:51): Holy shit. That has to be worse. I would get that, Rick. I would get that from recruiting.
So let's say, a lot of times, I recruit these attorneys, and these attorneys may be partners at top law firms, right? Well, they are miserable because their parents drummed into them, you should be a lawyer. Go to law school. It's a safe job. You're going to make money; you're going to do well. And they're just miserable, not everybody, but like, they're miserable. They may be good at what they do, but they're just unhappy. Now, not everybody is. Yeah. So, like, I didn't think about this. I just assumed coders, dude, I'm an idiot. I assume coders like, love coding. I think, alright, you love coding. You put on your headphones, and you listen to music, and you just code. But it didn't occur to me that, you know, you would be just doing hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and just not really like it.
Rick Chen (21:47): I mean, I might be in the bubble because I grew up in San Francisco, went to Berkeley. One of the most popular majors at Cal is electrical engineering and computer science, and I had so many friends where their parents said, hey, we're not going to pay for your school unless you major in computer science to get that job where you're going to pay back your student loans fast enough or have a good job. It's almost like the modern-day equivalent of having your parents tell you, we're not going to pay for your school, or we want you to be a doctor or a lawyer.
Jack Kelly (22:18): Dude, I got these insights. I'm so glad we're doing this kind of call, this kind of thing, because, like, I'm floored. This is something I never heard of or imagined. For most people, they really never thought of it. You know, they're thinking, oh, I made a wrong decision. I should have been a software engineer, and I would be successful, and now you say, oh, no, it's a lot of hard work, and I don't know, maybe, maybe it's good. I didn't go into that. I went to something else.
Rick Chen (22:49): I mean, I think we get a little biased because the folks that we bring on our show that we interview, a lot of them, they're the CEOs, they're the founders or CTOs, and they really do enjoy coding, right? They were programming on their very first computer that their parents gave them before they were 10, right, or 12? You've heard so many of those stories, but I think it's like with anything else. These high-profile, well-paying jobs, there's this hype around it, and some folks think, do they want to chase that clout, that prestige and compensation? And maybe their heart isn't all the way into it, going back to what we spoke about, Jack, that AI PhD at Salesforce, earning $100K a month, earning $1.2 million a year in total compensation. What is your advice to that person?
Jack Kelly (23:44): It makes more sense now that you walk us through all this. Now, I could see the full picture. But what I would advise people? I would advise that guy to do this. You're making $1.2 million. Don't fuck it up. $1.2 million! Don't do anything stupid. If you're listening, Mr. PhD dude, come into work early, stay late. Big smile on your face. Whatever your boss says, okay, boss; anything negative, roll down your back. Let it go. You come in; everything is fine. Everything is great because you don't want to wreck it. You don't know what's going to happen in the future, so play this out as long as you can now.
That being said, it doesn't hurt to keep your eyes open for other opportunities, even though you're doing really well, but because you're earning, I would say earning $1.2 million is a pretty nice pace. Yeah, it's not bad, so you don't want to ruin it. So, if you look for a job, you have to be stealthy. You have to be super careful who you speak with about it, the recruiters you use when you interview, because you don't want to blow up your spot.
So yes, I would say. Play the game. Go make it like everything's great, even if you do not love it. But to hedge your bets, you look for other things just in case, and be careful about it, and then see how it plays out. It could turn out maybe you get a new manager and you love that person, and you're like, oh, I'm so glad I didn't make any rash moves. Or maybe you still look for a new job, and then you're getting $2 million. Just got to be very strategic.
Rick Chen (25:27): Going to that strategic aspect, you know, granted, my advice might be a bit dated, because, you know, I haven't been interviewing for the last three years, right? My feel of the job market might be a little bit off, but generally, when I look at a job search, I really do an inventory of what makes the most sense for me, for what I want to prioritize in my role. It's a little cheesy, but I literally make a checklist, and I almost do a stack ranking of what are my non-negotiables.
Earlier in my career, it was just about maxing out trying to find a rocket ship. I was willing to sacrifice compensation to do what I love because my thinking was, I'm in my 20s, all my friends are in my 20s, we're all poor together. We're all broke, and so chasing that compensation is less important. It's more about building the network and building the skills. Now that I'm a bit older, I have more responsibilities. Obviously, compensation is a bit higher up my list now, like things like work-life balance, or being able to work remotely, having autonomy at work, those factors are really up there, and I'm willing to sacrifice and pay for it.
I would urge this PhD. It sounds like they really don't like political work environments, so when they're interviewing, when they're looking for their next job, when they're networking, I would suggest that they prioritize figuring out what that culture is like. You know, what is that relationship going to be like with my manager? And oftentimes, your manager is actually going to be interviewing you, and so you can actually get the vibes from this person and say, oh, I'm interviewing with this guy named Rick. He seems like a jerk already. Can I work 40, 50 hours a week with him? Maybe not. So, actually, I'm not gonna work in there. You could figure it out really easily because in the interview process, maybe you've given this advice to your candidates, Jack, but the candidate is also interviewing the company, right? It's also interviewing that hiring manager. And sometimes it's okay to walk.
Jack Kelly (27:28): Absolutely, just because they give you an offer, you don't have to take it, you know, you keep your eyes open, right? It could be, you know, a good offer, but you don't like the boss, you don't like the company, you don't like the culture, you don't like whatever, absolutely.
Would you mind if we switch gears just a little bit?
Rick Chen (27:41): No, let's do it.
Jack Kelly (27:42): What about this? I'm on Blind, alright, so, a little weird stuff, not crazy, a little weird stuff, little, little weird stuff. Former Reddit CEO calls to fire incels. What? Can you make it make sense? Like, what? What subcultures are going on within the tech sector that we should know about that maybe other people don't know about? Is there something there?
Rick Chen (28:05): I haven't heard of this particular case, but incel, involuntary celibate, these are guys, they want to find a partner; they want to be in a relationship, but for some reason or another, they can't make that happen, right?
I believe this news article was something like, incels are well represented in the tech industry, right? And they're creeping people out in the workplace. And I think that's the kind of the angle that this former Reddit CEO was making, right, where it's all about the culture and if we have these frustrated dudes around. Does it make the workplace a bit sketch? I think the answer is probably yes.
Jack Kelly (28:47): Is it? Is it specific to the tech world, or is this everywhere?
Rick Chen (28:52): Now I don't know. So, the former Reddit CEO, in this case, that made this comment. Her name is Ellen Pao, and so I don't know Ellen Pao and the context behind this statement. But imagine right now, and this goes back to this conversation that we're having about these high compensation, huge pay package folks, and the frustration, this mental health issue that they're dealing with. You know, I would take a step back and say, generally, I think a lot of guys, they don't know what their purpose is, and they're trying to figure it out. So they might be frustrated in terms of, gosh, I'm making so much money, and I can't get a girl on a date, or I feel like I should be further along in life.
There's almost this crisis of purpose we're seeing. I want to blame a little bit of social media, right, these highlight reels where people are just not really understanding what's real in life anymore. God, you add AI and all these deep fakes, and everyone's sense of reality, I suspect, is just so distorted, and it's really hard to keep up with what you want to do in life.
For me, I've always been fairly grounded of saying like, hey, I want to have just general joy in life and take it from there. But for other folks, maybe they don't have that kind of North Star in their life.
Jack Kelly (30:04): Is it also this? Because I've been reading a lot about where Gen Z and I guess maybe younger millennials post-pandemic, you know, for men, particularly for young men, they're sitting in their parents' basement, playing video games, smoking weed, not dating, and the statistics on it is through the roof. They're not dating; they're not getting married. And I guess if you're in your basement, you're not going to meet women, so it's just going to be self-fulfilling, and you're just going to be in that loop, and then you finally just shrug, give up, I guess, and say, alright, I'm going to just be an incel.
Rick Chen (30:43): So, early on in my career, I worked in lobbying. One of the executives at the lobbying firm I worked at gave me this advice, paraphrased, it's to the effect of: Rick, always put yourself in a position where luck can happen. Try to prioritize that serendipity.
So the example they used was, if you're on a Friday night and someone asked you last minute, hey, do you want to go grab drinks? Grabbing drinks versus staying at home and watching Netflix? You know, even if you go out for half an hour or one hour, that going out for drinks, you might meet someone in terms of the next unlock for your career, the next unlock in your personal relationship life, like putting yourself out there gives you that greater chance for something better to happen, right? Because you know exactly what's going to happen if you're staying at home and watching Netflix, right? You're going to have fun watching that movie or that TV show, and then you're going to pass out, or whatever. That is a known quantity, but setting yourself to give up these chances to have those like unknowns, that's where the outsize rewards might happen.
And you know, this was at a lobbying firm, right? So you have a lot of type "A" personality, a lot of folks that are just super extroverted. So there's obviously that bias there, but I think the underlying thinking is probably right.
Jack Kelly (32:05): I don't know about you guys; I think this is a great pod because it's different.
I think for people who are on Blind could really appreciate what we're talking about and hopefully not hate us, and feel that we are understanding what you're all going through. And then when we post it for other places, they can get a good sense of, hey, here's what's going on. You know what? I like this vibe where you could post anonymously, then once you're on there, you could just talk, like Rick and I are talking; you can just be open and frank about things. And it's quite liberating, actually, where you don't have to censor yourself, where you can talk. And it doesn't mean like cursing, yelling, screaming thing, but no, you can really talk about how much you're earning or how you're feeling, or how much you want to make, and so whatever it might be, but really to talk openly and freely. So it's I think a really cool place to check out.
Feel free to let us know, too, if you have any topics you want us to talk about because there's a lot going on now. Finding a job. Interview for a job. What do you do if you get rejected? How do you bounce back? Or how can you network to get in front of the right people? So there are lots of things that we could talk about, so let us know where you feel: Hey, I really need help with such and such, and we'll be glad to do these different podcasts because that whole mission is just to help people out and be happy and succeed and do well and have a good time doing it, as Rick was saying, and enjoy and have meaning and purpose, and that's what we're trying to do here. And have a good time while we're trying to make people's lives better.
